Monday, May 22, 2006

Who were the Vedics and IVC people?



In formal history today it is said that the vedics were aryans(which again is a misnomer) and migrants to india through the west from central asia thru iran and the people of IVC(indus valley civilization) were the natives(or earliest migrants) of india and were probablu mundas(of SEAsian origin) or dravidians who later moed south. this is purely based on linguistics theory and doesnot have any proof. just a hypothesis.
after recent archeological, geneological and other logical discoveries this has been completely debunked but the mystery of their origins and identity still remains.

my latest "thinking" after all the updated readings from various varied sources recently on this topic is that,

Ancient india even before IVC was already multi ethnic(not race). Each ethnic group had its own faiths of which vedicism(deva worshippers), ashuraism(later zoroastrians) and shaivaism(not the shaivism we know today but a grave culture with lingams as tombstones or phallus worship etc) were prominent. There were also many other cults like human idol(vishnu) worshippers(I am still looking for origins of vishnu), early forms of jainism or yogic religion (as in some siddhas/yogis/recluse sadhus) and many pagan and tribal beliefs like animal worshipers etc.
The IVC was made of all these groups. the vedic groups originally lived in the upstream sarasvathi riber basin in the Haryana (aryana, the original home land of aryans) delhi regions called puru(and very much part of IVC). the ashura worshippers initially lived in the northern indus region. the shiva worshipping groups lived in the lower streams of indus saraswati and narmada and in the periphery of the vedic kingdoms of the purus.

but one noticable thing is that all these people knew each other and had trade and cultural links and influenced each other. they also spoke variants of the same language. i.e., proto sanskrit, like vedic sanskrit, avestan and other prakrits.
the technology and knowledge were common and hence we see the same kind of archeology as in harappa all over india. i.e., from balochistan/afghanistan in the west to bangladesh in the east to haryana region in the north to the south of vindhyas and off late there have been some harrappan artifacts found in TamilnNadu. which means almost all regions of modern india. except kashmir and NEstates. this was during the IVC(and earlier) and vedic period. A time frame probably 5000 or 6000 BC to about 1000 BC

over the time these beliefs/cultures intermingled and became hinduism and also more outsiders(from the west mostly) came and their beliefs were also added to this common system.
ofcourse there were also movement outside to the west especially the deva ashura wars and ashuras moving west to iran and further west and the early shaivites moving south.
these movements happened due to internat wars between the various kingdoms of north india as depicted in the deva-ashura mythical wars, dasarajana war and mahabaratha wars. devaashura mythical war of rig veda happened in prevedic times when the rig vedics split as deva and ashura worshippers. the deva worshippers became vedics and ashura worshippers became ashuras. the lived in sarasvati and indus rivers respectively. dasarajana was the second famous war(indicating a second wave) of vedicisation of some groups of the north when the vedic baratha sudas won the war and assimilated the won over groups into vedic religion and those that dint moved to iran. so this time the ashuas were driven out of india who later became zoroastrians of iran. the third major wave was the vedicisation of the shaivaites and other southern clans like the yadus etc was during the mahabaratha times. this was the completion of vedicisation. mot central and southers parts were already partly vedicised before as seen in ramayana and parashurama stories.

the deva/ashura concept was the earliest and happened sometime during the mixing of all these original faiths and based on their belief system some groups took to worldly and dulaistic faiths and others to sacrificial vedic faiths. this split could have happened right during the early rig vedic times which could have been around atleast 3-4k B.C if not earlier and the wars continued on for another 1000 years.
the later vedic period continued with the influence of the faiths which have already mingled and hence we see shiva(early form as in rudra, shiva the benevolent etc) and vishnu mentioned from later rig and yejur veda onwards. thus the concepts of vedas itself is a mix of all these faiths and made by priests from all these clans(hence we have so many ghotras and the 7 saptha rishis must have been each from each one of these clans or ethnic groups)

so the vedic period itself was a completely mixed period and the higher classes were selected noble and dignified people from all these groups and hence they were called aryas.

now how can arya become a race when the nobles were from different ethnic groups?

this is my present understanding after reading various perspectives from various groups and authors on different things not just about origins of vedics or aryans but everything from shaivism, jainism, racial theories, clutural theories, trying to depict mythology of various cultures etc..

I might still be completely wrong but I dont have any other logical path and I guess I am thinking in the right direction.

The problem is with the understanding of the term vedic itself. just another term deliberately given racial connotation. vedic culture was 100% in multi ethnic environment and not belong to any one particular mythical race who are called aryans

the earliest parts of rig veda which gives the connection to the zoroastrians are only a negligable portion of the whole vedic cannon. then how come vedas are attributed to a particular clan?

the race who actually moved from west into india were the schytians and their related groups. these are the indo-europeans. and their movement was much later. probably started from 1000 - 1550 B.C and again the next waves were the greeks and other central asians and turks who came around + or - 500 years around the beginning of the common era.

and the zoroastraian persians were actually a mix of a split of group from the early rig vedics who moved west to join up with the races of the west like the mesopotemians, or their ancestors and create a new civilization.


another interesting fact is that most brahmins today are yejur, some rig and sama hardly any adharvan vedics.
when the vedic religion spread in every region the local(pagal/tribal/otther cults) priests were initiated into brahminical fold. so we can say that more than half the brahmin population was actually priests of one of the mixed groups who adopted a new culture called vedic religion even during vedic times and later known as brahminism.

i.e., the vedic culture itself is a congress of all the various priests of all the belief systems of IVC of which the rig vedics were one. and all these priests together made a common code and created a new universal doctrine/religion (sanathana dharma). This is pretty clear from the fact that the major dieties after yejur veda are no more indo-european element gods but more of shiva and vishnu. and further more when we move into later ages all the pagan and tribal gods become prominent and their joining of the vedic culture is depicted well in mythology.
some good examples here of how well mythology can be depicted with facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_Shaivism

also some important references.
http://voi.org/books/rig/
http://voi.org/books/ait/